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Wednesday, February 27, 2008

From the Lord's Supper to Amyraut

Earlier today I promised a blog entry for tomorrow. Well, you're getting it today instead. How's that for making up for lost time?

Anyways, what follows are my musings on a couple of random subjects which have captivated my attention recently.

1. The Lord's Supper.

Christ ordained the ministry of word and sacrament for his visible church. These, along with prayer, are the God-ordained means of grace (at least for those of us in the British Reformed tradition; see the Shorter Catechism Q.88-89). Reformed Christianity has a long history of trumpeting the centrality of the Word read and preached; and this is only right. Nevertheless, this does not mean that the other elements of public worship are relegated to a secondary status. While baptism and the supper, for instance, cannot be properly administered apart from the word (i.e., preceded by it), they are not something less than the word. Yet, as I survey the phenomenon that is American Reformed Christianity, the only conclusion I can reach is that for generations now we've largely ignored (or worse, forgotten) the significance of the Supper in the life and worship of the church. [To be fair, there has been a revival of interest in the Supper in recent years; yet, this can only be considered the beginning, not the end.]

The Supper is a sign and a seal of Christ's person and work, and specifically of the redemptive benefits of his substitutionary death. Through the Spirit, Christ presides at his table and feeds his sheep, on his broken body and on his blood, and yet we seem content not to eat of and receive the benefits of this spiritual feast. We come once a month or once a quarter or, in some cases, whenever the elders determine it is time again. If the nature and the benefits of the Supper are what they are, then what prevents us from observing the supper with greater frequency? Why should we not conclude, as Calvin did, that we ought to come to the Table of our Lord "at least weekly"? This conclusion seems harder to avoid especially when we consider in at least two instances the apostolic church appears to have adopted this very practice (see Acts 2:42; 20:7, 11). The only valid reasoning for less frequent observance of the Supper is, as T. David Gordon has concluded, is that we do not perceive the Supper to be of significant spiritual value, as was the case with Zwingli.

So, my question is this: If the Supper is one of the divinely appointed means whereby Christ communicates the benefits of his mediation, and if it was observed regularly, frequently, if not weekly by the early church under apostolic oversight, why, then, do we, as Reformed churches, not practice frequent or weekly communion?



2. Calvin vs. the Calvinists (especially with regard to the doctrine of limited or definite atonement).

To be honest, I have very little by way of expertise in this subject. Yes, I've read a number of the primary sources and a handful of secondary sources, both of which lead me to conclude that the Muller thesis (i.e., substantial continuity) is basically correct. Calvin's successors did not fundamentally depart from the basic contours of his theology; they did not corrupt a supposedly more biblical theology by the use of scholastic structures of teaching and thought.

My biggest difficulty in taking seriously the Kendall-Armstrong-et al thesis (that is, the discontinuity thesis) is that it always seems as though it has an theological ax to grind. This is no more apparent than with the doctrine of limited or definite atonement, which argues that Christ's death was efficient for the elect only. The saving efficacy of Christ's death takes into account only those for whom Christ was given to die (i.e., the elect, and not all men indefinitely). Though Calvin's view is admittedly difficult to understand (probably because of the context of the Reformation when compared to the context of the post-Reformation era), the views of historical and confessional Calvinism are not hard to understand. Both Dordt and Westminster (and with them Savoy and 2nd London) clearly confess that while Christ's death lacks nothing in terms of its sufficiency, his death is efficient for the elect only. Nevertheless, the discontinuity thesis wants to say that Calvin and his successors are so different at this point, that true Calvinism does not believe in limited atonement. They will jump on any and every instance of an isolated theologian making statements regarding the universal sufficiency of Christ's death and turn those theologians into proto Amyraldians (e.g., Ursinus).

My question to such a reading of historic Calvinism is this: why, then, has confessional Calvinism in every single instance affirmed the doctrine of definite atonement, and repudiated the teachings of Amyraut and those of his ilk. If the discontinuity thesis is correct on this point, why do the confessional documents of the entire Reformed tradition argue the very opposite? Why can't such fellows simply admit that they find the arguments of Dordt and Westminster unconvincing rather than attempting to turn nearly every Reformed theologian of the 16th and 17th centuries into a mouth-piece to voice their own theological agenda?

I know what the response from the discontinuity folks will be: "you've misunderstood, read this sound bite from the past". That won't do. It is insufficient. Read the historical confessions of the Reformed church and be honest. What do these documents (unanimously and unequivocally) teach?

Integrity, it seems to me, is still something worth maintaining, even whilst engaged in historical theology.

Peace...

13 comments:

dapalma said...

1. The Lord's Supper. Well I agree that this is much overlooked to our hurt. I would like to see this instituted at least every other week. I am all about doing it every week. For I believe that we need the "remembrance of Christ" often, once a month seems the very least we ought to do. But should we be doing the very least? Once a quarter seems below even the least that even the "average" church observes, once a quarter? May it never be!! and the idea that we only do it when the elders see fit, my question is: Why on earth do the elders not see it fit "do this in remembrance of Him" very often? Do we have a good answer to that question? I can only think that due to the seriousness of this ordinance we might be careful to not become ritualistic and forget what it really means. But I would be more afraid of cooling off in our remembering His giving of His body, and His Blood of the New Covenant.

dapalma said...

2. Calvin vs. Calvinists. I really like a recent addressing of this very issue by John Piper at the Resurgence Conference here in Seattle. Under point 3 of his message: How I Distinguish Between the Gospel and False Gospels. He addresses "Limited Atonement", "successful atonement", "definitive atonement" or "triumphantly effective atonement" whatever title you would like to give this doctrine most satisfactorily.

Here is a link to it.

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/ConferenceMessages/ByDate/2008/2637_How_I_Distinguish_Between_the_Gospel_and_False_Gospels/

lucidstates said...

I certainly believe that once a month is a minimum! I do agree with dapalma that twice monthly would be better indeed, however, I do want to point out a few things, more concerns actually, and they are, the current way Communion is practiced, it chews up allot of time out of the service, it is very ritualistic and seems to be a repeat of the same words, the same 'ol same 'ol, month after month.
I have attended several different churches on Communion Sunday and I feel as though in my meditation time upon the Lord (a few minutes) I really talk with the Lord and He comforts or convicts me for a whole months worth of wickedness, however, I feel as though I know already every word that is going to come out of the pastor or elders' mouth and it just feels so ritualistic to me. And that is when it is just once per month, therefore, I fear that if a church were to have The Lord's Supper more then once per month, it would become so incredibly ritualistic that it'd lose all significance and reverence!
I personally feel that it is important to be as inward searching each Sunday as on Communion Sunday, how this may be achieved I feel may be through prayer, a few moments of silent reflection, but especially must come from the sermon itself.
So I do not know what the answer is, but I do have one idea, and that is, if we're going to do it more then once per month, then the shiny trays and the common Communion message would need to be changed in order that the sermon need not shortening.
I fear we are in a day when the only way people will truly allow the Holy Spirit to stir them on the inside is when the shiny trays are on display and the pastor makes a really big deal out of this once a month occasion.
I don't know that I'm explaining myself properly, as I love The Lord's Supper and believe that it is essential to a reverential walk with our Lord, but in it's current form, it feels slightly superficial and replicated.
I understand the church tradition is that the Bread and the Cup is a serious matter (which it is) and thus a gold or silver tray is respectful and honoring, and I truly understand that, but if it is to be done weekly, I feel it needs to, I don't know, something needs to make it less visual, stale, repetitive and more intimate to each and every individual between themselves and the Lord whom they are meditating upon. I don't know, it just seems off in its current form that's all. And to be honest, I don't have a clue what to do about it :-)
Your brother in Christ.

dapalma said...

I for one would agree in most cases. Having not researched the the traditions of taking the Lords Supper, I would like to see the Lords Supper after a sermon rather then before which is the norm. After a sermon where we get to meditate on our Lord through the preaching of His Word would give more significant reflection on our Lord for who He is and our standing before Him, then a time of confirming our commitment to Him, and would seem like after a sermon one might allow a deeper and more honest evaluation and searching of the heart by the Holy Spirit to uncover those things that call for repentance, and thus to celebrate with more awareness and remember with more sobriety our Savior, His body which was broken for us and His blood which was shed for our Sins.

Stefan said...

Thanks for the comments.

Here are a couple of additional considerations:

1. Reformed churches historically have observed the supper after the sermon, on account of the conviction that word and sacrament belong together. I've never heard of observing the supper before the sermon, and frankly that troubles me a bit.

2. As far as the manner in which the table is observed we need to remember that the Supper affords communion with Christ and with his church (cf. 1 Cor 10:16-17). For as much as we enjoy personal communion with Christ, we can't lose sight of the corporate aspect of the supper. We eat of one bread, we drink of one cup, and we commune with one Christ.

3. As far as the Supper losing its force and devolving into a ritual, well, if that happens (regardless of the question of frequency) the problem is not be with the Supper, but with us. Formalism is not a problem with the forms per se, but with the sinner approaching the God-ordained form. And, if we follow the logic of this argument, shouldn't we say the same thing about prayer, the reading of Scripture, the singing of the psalms and God-honoring hymns, and the preaching of God's Word? Shouldn't we argue that we'll do these less so they will mean more? But we don't, because God's Word calls us to employ these elements of public worship with reverence and awe. We must do the same with the Supper, guarding our hearts from coldness, dullness, and unbelief.

Thanks,
Stefan

p.s. I don't mind comments from people I don't know. However, if you'd sign your name at the end of your comment, I'd appreciate it.

Bradford said...

I couldn't decide what to say, so I'm just signing my name as if to say, "Hey, I read this, and I would love to talk about it, especially since I am considered an Amyraldian/4 Point Calvinist/1 Point Arminian because I believe that Christ suffered the wrath of God for all mankind yet only applies it to those whom he sovereignly elected of his own good will. But corresponding would take too long in this 3 inch space in which to type comments."

Love,
Butthead Myers

Stefan said...

Good to hear from you Bruce.

My comments were not directed against Amyraldians per se, but against those who want to say that historic Calvinism is exemplified by Amyraut. I hope that distinction makes sense.

Do you believe that the extent of the atonement is hypothetically universal, realistically universal, or do have another way for accounting for the universality of Christ's work of satisfaction?

I remember talking to you about this once, and you mentioned the covenant of redemption figured prominently in your thinking.

Stefan.


p.s. how'd you find me? and how's come your blog hasn't been updated in a while?

Bradford said...

No, I understand the comments aren't against Amyraldians per se. In fact, in one of my draughts of thoughts of what to write actually relied heavily upon that very issue. While I agree the dominant form of the definition of the limitation of the atonement (or interpretations of Calvin in the case of Beza and/or Dordt in the case of Owen) is clearly the "substantial continuity" thesis put forth by Muller, I would argue there is still allowance for a "4 point" view within the confessional standards. Much like the confessions predominantly teach infralapsarianism, the standards are written in such a way (because of dissenting opinions) that supralapsarians can subscribe to the confession. I have more of a "nomrative principle" of confesionally subscriptions. If the confessions do not speak against it, but allow for it (without underminding the other parts of the standards), then it is permissable and one is still confessional. But that's a whole other issue.

As for the covenant of redemption, I do believe Christ represented all mankind universally in his life, but especially his death, and bore the wrath of God against all of mankind. The Father told the Son, "You must suffer the wrath due to all mankind and represent all of mankind as did the First Adam, and in doing so I will apply your person and work through faith alone to those whom I freely choose."

Do you remember how Kline would broaden the covenant of grace to the elect and their seed, and would say the elect are on in view in the covenant of redemption? Well, I flip that on it's head. The representation was for all, knowing full well it would not be applied to all whom He represented, but is only applied to the elect in the covenant of grace. So, the condition of the Cov of Redemption was the die for all mankind. The rewards of the Cov of Redemption included the elect sinners out of the represented mass of fallen sinners.

See, I'm not doing this justice trying to keep it short.

Oh, my wife came across it (somehow) and left it open for me to read. So, thank her for my annoying presence. ;)

Stefan said...

Oh Bradford, you're not (that) annoying!

Send me an email with something more substantial. Blogs are hard to convey anything that requires length.

I agree that the rewards of the cov. of red. are elect sinners taken out of the mass of fallen sinners. I'm not so sure why you need to contend, however, that the Lord Jesus needed to represent all men in his work of satisfaction in order to have that work applied savingly only to the elect (again, as the reward for his active and passive obedience).

I'm not sure I follow...so send me the email.

By the way, are you guys coming up here in the fall for the OU-UW game? You'd be more than welcome to stay with us.

Stefan

lucidstates said...

Stefan,

First off, I am sorry for not leaving my name at the end, I had considered leaving my blogger username "lucidstates", but then decided not to leave any, btw my name is Jonathan :-D

Okay, to respond to your response to my comments, I think I didn't explain myself totally, as last night I was really struggling to put into words what I've experience at church my entire life.

And I must say, that I was utterly blown away when you said that you'd never heard of the Lord's Supper "before" the sermon, WOW, that is amazing, as I have NEVER heard of the Lord's Supper taking place after the sermon! I was like, what? A church actually does that afterwards? That is a huge breath of fresh air for me.

To clarify myself, the Lord works on me when I meditate upon Him during the Lord's Supper, but I think where the trouble for me lies is in the observing of it within literally minutes of coming into the sanctuary, having just left the outside world and all of its distractions and then it being rushed through.

Allow me to explain.

This is a typical Communion Sunday that I've experienced my entire life: The congregation sings songs to our God for about 15 minutes, then the offering plates go around, then the volunteers or elders approach the front, the pastor describes the Lord's Supper and why it's observed and to not participate if you are an unbeliever, then he prays and the cracker trays are passed along the pews / chairs and whenever you get your cracker, that is your meditation time, then he says "Now do this in remembrance of me, let's eat together" and we eat, then the next prayer and the juice is passed around and again, if it is a small congregation the time given to speak with the Lord or to listen to Him can be incredibly short, then the pastor says "Now drink this in remembrance of me, let's drink together" and then he goes to the pulpit and begins the sermon which is usually barely 15 - 20 minutes, he prays and we all get up to fellowship and leave.

Now, to rephrase my earlier description of "ritualistic" observation of the Lord's Supper, my point is, in the way I believed that ALL church's observed it, it seems that the church is dressed up different, the manner of speaking is different, the acting of the body is different, the decorations of the church are different, and all of this is good and so formalism is not my problem with it, I just feel that with all of these things, shouldn't the observing be the real reason we're there and not just a formality? It feels like actions are taken for this particular Sunday yet the whole service feels rushed through and stale kind of like you are supposed to feel the Holy Spirit's presence yet the Lord seems like an afterthought to the standing around and acting out certain functions, the whole thing lasting just a few moments and a hurried sermon and just feels soo lacking in reverence, in praise of His sacrifice and bearing my sins, in personal quiet meditation, in fellowship and yet it is done with shiny trays and full suits.

Again, I have never heard of singing, then the sermon and then the Lord's Supper. That Sounds Great to me :-D

I hope that I've been able to clarify my position and I sincerely appreciate your response, as you have opened up to me something that I can now take to my church and talk with others and see if anyone else is like me, having never heard of this way of observing the Lord's Supper.

Thank you, your brother in Christ,

Jonathan

Stefan said...

Jonathan,

Thanks for the clarification.

What is your church background? You don't have to name the particular congregation, but I'm curious...

The reason I'm curious is that every Reformed congregation I've ever been in, the supper is taken after the sermon. I've never observed the supper in an evangelical context, and never seen in it done (sorry, grew up Reformed, as well).

I have some thoughts about your conern for adequate "meditation" time during the service, but they will have to wait for another time.

Until then...

Stefan

lucidstates said...

Stefan,
Well, I have primarily attended Baptist or Bible church's throughout my life. But I've attended everything from Evangelical Free Church, Baptist church's of many, many kinds, Charismatic, Bible Free, ummm, I think that almost covers it. I'd say that since I can remember, I have attended almost twice as many church's as I've lived in states. I have lived in 10 different US states and probably close to 20 different church's divided amongst at least 8 - 10 denominations.
This lead to my really resenting "corporate worship" as a whole because of the strong divisions between denominations on things unrelated to doctrine and just petty things and then I foolishly abandoned church all together for some 5 - 6 years, from around 2001 - 2006. This was a HUGE mistake!
In Washington state alone I have gone regularly to a Baptist church for about 15 months, then about 3 months ago I started going regularly to a Bible church that is basically Baptist. But I've visited 2 other church's in the last 2 years and didn't like them too much.
Ya'lls is the first ever Reformed church I've gone to, and I've been there just once so far.
So I guess back to the main point, out of some nearly 2 dozen church's since I was about 9 years old, I've never had the Lord's Supper after the sermon and thus it seems ever lacking to me.
I hope that this clarifies some details for you.
I do believe that the Lord has had in His plan for me, to have experienced a wide range of different denominations, so as to not be strictly dedicated to a denomination per se and instead focus on His Word instead. To be totally honest, I am sketch of nearly all denominations because I feel that people get too caught up in a particular mind set and it makes speaking between denominations a little difficult and seems like we as a nationwide group of believers, are becoming argumentative about church outlines, instead of the true teaching of God's Word.
I know that this is an over simplified way of thinking, but here goes, I feel that since we follow God's Holy Word as inerrant and true, then why so much division? Why can't all church's be Bible church's? Hehehe, see it is OVERsimplified, but I just feel like more unity between God's elect is needed. My sister and brother and I were out talking to people in the neighborhood about Awana's starting up, you know just spreading the word, and several houses we knocked on, as soon as w said "Emmanuel Baptist Church" they got really quite upset and said "Uh no, we are this or that," it was just amazing to me.
Anyway, back to the Lord's Supper, what were you wanting to say about "meditating" upon Him?

Jonathan
P.S. My email is: lucidstates@yahoo.com if you prefer.

Martin said...

You might be interested in the following: Muller on Moore

I think it is suggestive of a degree of softening on Muller's part.

Martin